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	<title>Comments on: Welcome to the New Sincerity</title>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://rooreynolds.com/2008/05/28/welcome-to-the-new-sincerity/#comment-48153</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 23:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having watched the young woman and her dancing dog on &lt;i&gt;Britain's Got Talent&lt;/i&gt; via the YouTubes, I can get past irony very easily.

I understand  Kirby's point: irony is angular, it needs clear demarcations and pivots and distance, and saturation or swaddling in cultural 'stuff' fills up the space that would normally exist to let one step back, demarcate, and adopt an ironic posture. 

(I'm reminded of Wordsworth's preface to &lt;i&gt;Lyrical Ballads&lt;/i&gt;, and the whole lyrical turn of the late 1700s that followed an era of cool couplet satire. It's online and worth reading.)

But there's a slender line between looking at the world with child-eyed wonder and coming across as puerile. To me, Ze Frank crossed that line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having watched the young woman and her dancing dog on <i>Britain&#8217;s Got Talent</i> via the YouTubes, I can get past irony very easily.</p>
<p>I understand  Kirby&#8217;s point: irony is angular, it needs clear demarcations and pivots and distance, and saturation or swaddling in cultural &#8217;stuff&#8217; fills up the space that would normally exist to let one step back, demarcate, and adopt an ironic posture. </p>
<p>(I&#8217;m reminded of Wordsworth&#8217;s preface to <i>Lyrical Ballads</i>, and the whole lyrical turn of the late 1700s that followed an era of cool couplet satire. It&#8217;s online and worth reading.)</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s a slender line between looking at the world with child-eyed wonder and coming across as puerile. To me, Ze Frank crossed that line.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikael Haglund</title>
		<link>http://rooreynolds.com/2008/05/28/welcome-to-the-new-sincerity/#comment-48122</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikael Haglund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't this what geeks in all times have done? Focus on what you love, not caring what others think. Isn't the irony of the ironic generation based in a fear of showing what you really like - "what would people think?" - better pretend I'm not interested, really... 

New Sincerity may be a fancy name for: it is now (more) OK (than ever) to be a geek, to be special, to be interested in something odd, niche, long tail. Mass culture has less of a grip, but I bet there are still kids and grown ups getting bullied for not being average and bland.

Great blog Roo. Will steal from and quote you when I blog - in Swedish so you can't see how much :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this what geeks in all times have done? Focus on what you love, not caring what others think. Isn&#8217;t the irony of the ironic generation based in a fear of showing what you really like - &#8220;what would people think?&#8221; - better pretend I&#8217;m not interested, really&#8230; </p>
<p>New Sincerity may be a fancy name for: it is now (more) OK (than ever) to be a geek, to be special, to be interested in something odd, niche, long tail. Mass culture has less of a grip, but I bet there are still kids and grown ups getting bullied for not being average and bland.</p>
<p>Great blog Roo. Will steal from and quote you when I blog - in Swedish so you can&#8217;t see how much :-D</p>
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		<title>By: roo</title>
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		<dc:creator>roo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 22:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Darren: can't old stuff can be appreciated ironically or sincerely, just like new stuff? It's down to your interpretation rather  than the intent, I think.

@Alice: Jamaica jokes are a subject for a whole other blog, but if you don't believe that they're awesome then you've not heard a good one yet. New site to prove that particular point coming very soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Darren: can&#8217;t old stuff can be appreciated ironically or sincerely, just like new stuff? It&#8217;s down to your interpretation rather  than the intent, I think.</p>
<p>@Alice: Jamaica jokes are a subject for a whole other blog, but if you don&#8217;t believe that they&#8217;re awesome then you&#8217;ve not heard a good one yet. New site to prove that particular point coming very soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where do Jamaica jokes fit into this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do Jamaica jokes fit into this?</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 14:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where abouts in irony do you think retro fits in, if at all?  I'm in too minds as to whether to classify retro items as ironic.  Things influenced by the past don't seem like they are, but modern copies of old artifacts feel like they might be.

I was wondering if that might cause a problem for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where abouts in irony do you think retro fits in, if at all?  I&#8217;m in too minds as to whether to classify retro items as ironic.  Things influenced by the past don&#8217;t seem like they are, but modern copies of old artifacts feel like they might be.</p>
<p>I was wondering if that might cause a problem for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Roo</title>
		<link>http://rooreynolds.com/2008/05/28/welcome-to-the-new-sincerity/#comment-48021</link>
		<dc:creator>Roo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 13:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wise and perceptive as always, Kim. 

Random example of current culture plucked from the air: I thought Eagle vs Shark was quite New Sincerity in it's uncomplicated exuberance. Much more so than Napoleon Dynamite perhaps, which seems to have some of the same qualities but was originally spoiled for me by being massively marketed by MTV. I suppose that shouldn't matter, but regardless of promotion or artistic intent there's still some soul in Eagle vs Shark that's lacking in Napoleon Dynamite.

I'm struggling to know at what level I'm appreciating most things, and I'm sure I will continue to. My plan is not to overanalze anything though, and just enjoy things for what they are. If the New Sincerity cuts through the old irony, it can't be a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wise and perceptive as always, Kim. </p>
<p>Random example of current culture plucked from the air: I thought Eagle vs Shark was quite New Sincerity in it&#8217;s uncomplicated exuberance. Much more so than Napoleon Dynamite perhaps, which seems to have some of the same qualities but was originally spoiled for me by being massively marketed by MTV. I suppose that shouldn&#8217;t matter, but regardless of promotion or artistic intent there&#8217;s still some soul in Eagle vs Shark that&#8217;s lacking in Napoleon Dynamite.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m struggling to know at what level I&#8217;m appreciating most things, and I&#8217;m sure I will continue to. My plan is not to overanalze anything though, and just enjoy things for what they are. If the New Sincerity cuts through the old irony, it can&#8217;t be a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 13:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did some wondering about this kind of thing a while ago - when an ironic appreciation of something (let's say 40s big band music) comes full circle on itself, and suddenly you find that you really like it *in and of itself*, and not for the more performative layered posture of your original 'ironic' stance. I always thought of it as 'hardcore irony', but i think i prefer the 'returning  to grassroots' feel of new sincerity.

I think it may be a function of getting 'tired' of reprocessing stuff, of the work needed to parse the layers in to that seen-it-all mode - tiresome cognitive work. It links in to that funny thing of giving only positive comments in places like flickr too - so much easier just to go 'this is awesome' than actually form an opinion.

Incidentally - New Sincerity is everywhere in adverts at the moment - look at the orange ads for gigs etc, and pretty much anything Fallon does. The Dairy Milk gorilla is another good one.

I wonder how much of it will be subsumed again by advertising, necessitating another adoption of a contrary position? And what might be the shape of the anti-new-sincerity?

Look to the teens, I guess. It'll appear there first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did some wondering about this kind of thing a while ago - when an ironic appreciation of something (let&#8217;s say 40s big band music) comes full circle on itself, and suddenly you find that you really like it *in and of itself*, and not for the more performative layered posture of your original &#8216;ironic&#8217; stance. I always thought of it as &#8216;hardcore irony&#8217;, but i think i prefer the &#8216;returning  to grassroots&#8217; feel of new sincerity.</p>
<p>I think it may be a function of getting &#8216;tired&#8217; of reprocessing stuff, of the work needed to parse the layers in to that seen-it-all mode - tiresome cognitive work. It links in to that funny thing of giving only positive comments in places like flickr too - so much easier just to go &#8216;this is awesome&#8217; than actually form an opinion.</p>
<p>Incidentally - New Sincerity is everywhere in adverts at the moment - look at the orange ads for gigs etc, and pretty much anything Fallon does. The Dairy Milk gorilla is another good one.</p>
<p>I wonder how much of it will be subsumed again by advertising, necessitating another adoption of a contrary position? And what might be the shape of the anti-new-sincerity?</p>
<p>Look to the teens, I guess. It&#8217;ll appear there first.</p>
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